Guidebooks Revisited

a.ron · **Posted:** Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:17 am

The new J-tree guide and the Black Mt. guide are due to come out within the next year (I think). If people are putting up new problems in either location, post them up on the database or if some problems are in question, post up the issue here and we'll talk about it. Hopefully this will give the authors of these books a pool of information they can pull from and make it easier on them if there is new stuff they are unaware of.

Also, if you have any thoughts or comments on the workings of the guidebooks (icons used, directions, limitations, good things used in other books, etc) post them up as well. This isn't meant to slander the authors (we know rTm has done a sweet job with his other books and I'm sure Ian and Alan's Black Mt. guide will be fantastic as well) but again just a source of information they can pull from that reflects the climbing community's thoughts on guidebooks in general. Everyone has their two cents, now's your chance to show those pretty pennies.

To the authors, I'm trying to make your lives easier, or at least just this once. :mrgreen:

magicawaits · **Joined:** Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:25 pm **Posts:** 16

The Black mountain guide coming out has already got me excited, and now hearing that the new Josh guide is probably coming out within the next year makes me all giddy inside!

a.ron · **Posted:** Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:37 am

Don't quote me on it. Just something I heard. . . .

alanclimbs · **Joined:** Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:53 am **Posts:** 30

Uh, yea the Black Mountain guide is going to be awesome. We're finishing it this June, so input input input.

rtm · **Joined:** Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:03 am **Posts:** 603

alanclimbs wrote:

Uh, yea the Black Mountain guide is going to be awesome.

Somewhat reminiscent of jpace and his guide. How awesome did that turned out!?!

klk · **Joined:** Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:42 pm **Posts:** 26

hey folks--

esp. rtm and alan--

i'll be in socal 3rd and 4th week of february. i'm on leave, so my schedule is pretty flexible and i have a bit of free time, unlike the last few years.

black won't be in condition, but i plan to climb at josh and would be happy to grab a beer and talk boulders.

a.ron · **Posted:** Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:38 pm

I don't think Jpace's guide book ever came out, did it?

Stretch · **Posted:** Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:41 am

I never ended up meeting that guy but it does seem like he fell off the face of the earth...or at least the site. Maybe our "holy crap, you have no idea what you're getting yourself into by making a guidebook" shitstorm scared him off.

rtm · **Joined:** Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:03 am **Posts:** 603

Guides are such a huge amount of work, its hard to stay psyched all the way to the end. After a while it almost feels like a burden.

To make it worse, theres no guarantee that it will get printed, until it actually IS printed!

rtm · **Joined:** Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:03 am **Posts:** 603

Hey klk

I'll be looking to meet up with you then!

Bee · **Joined:** Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:15 pm **Posts:** 41

rtm wrote:

alanclimbs wrote:

Uh, yea the Black Mountain guide is going to be awesome.

Somewhat reminiscent of jpace and his guide. How awesome did that turned out!?!

I don't see the parallel. Please elaborate, Rtm, for us obtuse peeps (no a.ron, i'm not soliciting jokes about my intelligence...or size). :wink:

Bee

rtm · **Joined:** Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:03 am **Posts:** 603

Lets just say that pace came across as being was quite arrogant, patting himself on the back for how "awesome" his guide was going to be.

Alans comment has a similar vibe to it! Not that Alan is an egomaniac :shock:

I'm certain that the BM guide will be 'awesome'. But after seeing his Josh comment on FB, then coming here and seeing this spew, I was completely foaming at the fingers. Ooops, muybad. :hammer;

A serious side note though; in the case of pace, I think, due at least in part to his arrogance, he burned down just about every bridge he had.

just saying!

rtm · **Joined:** Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:03 am **Posts:** 603

Alright, I feel bad. Sorry Alan, you're a hell of a guy! I'm sure you were just being enthusiastic.

oldskool5150 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:31 pm **Posts:** 185

it seems like Ian and Alan have been putting TONS of work into the BM guide..i have no doubt it will be thorough, accurate (as possible), and maybe even fantastic.

Heretic · **Joined:** Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:14 am **Posts:** 248

@rtm - in regards to pace...yeah I get the impression he's just over it. I've climbed with the guy a few times already. Great guy, very mellow, dedicated to climbing. Though I have no idea what was ever said between him and anyone else, I assume it must have been a non-collaborative effort (Diloon kinda filled me in a while back after seeing pics of me and pace on fb). But anyway not to rehash the past...moving on!!!

I'm rather psyched to see this black mountain guide and I'm keeping very positive thoughts about it, mainly because, in all honesty, I can't stand black mountain! Long-ass drive, then seemingly endless winding road, just to hit more winding dirt road, all to get to climbing areas that I either need to hike to, or are in the sun for the majority of the day. either that or it's just gloomy and depressing! I've only been to Black a couple of times but each time has been w/ a 0% psych level. So I'm hoping this guide turns me into a convert (I probably just haven't seen the really stellar areas yet)! Yeah definitely looking forward to it~

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